Snippets of Tipperary Games

Top Scorers

Lar Corbett is Tipp’s top goal scorer of all times with 25 goals. He is followed by Eoin Kelly with 21. Kelly has scored a total of 21-342 for Tipperary while Corbett has scored 25-64. The next highest scoring totals among the present panel are by Seamus Callanan (8-32); Benny Dunne (5-30); Noel McGrath (2-38); and John O’Brien (2-35).

Championship Appearances

Brendan Cummins equalled Christy Ring’s championship appearances record of 65 in the Munster final. The top ten championship appearance numbers on the Tipperary panel are completed by Eoin Kelly (52); Lar Corbett (46); Benny Dunne (38); Paul Curran (36); Conor O’Mahony (31); Shane McGrath (27); John O’Brien (25); Seamus Callanan (17) and Padraic Maher, Noel McGrath and Paddy Stapleton (all on 14).

Dublin and Tipp Connections

The connections between Dublin and Tipperary hurling are many and varied. 4 of the links between the current Dublin panel / management and Tipperary are:

1) Ryan O’Dwyer is from Cashel;

2) Declan O’Dwyer’s father, Francis, is from Clonoulty Rossmore and is a former committee member of the Tipperary Supporters Club, the fund raising and support group for Tipperary hurling founded by Michael “Babs” Keating in 1986.

3) Shane Ryan’s father Jack is from Moneygall, his paternal grandfather was the late Seamus Ó Riain who served as President of the GAA and his maternal grandfather was the late Sean Ó Siocháin who served as Director General of the GAA for many years. Shane’s uncle, Eugene Ryan, is currently Secretary of the North Tipperary GAA Board.

4) Dublin selector, Richard Stakelum is from Borrisoleigh and has previous experience leading teams out of hurling famines – he captained Tipperary to victory in the Munster SH Championship final replay at Fitzgerald Stadium Killarney in 1987, Tipp’s first title since 1971.

Captain from Dublin

Declan Carr of Holycross Ballycahill, who captained Tipperary to win the 1991 All Ireland SHC title nad later managed the Tipp under 21 hurling team, was born in Dublin and lived there until his mid-teens. His brother Tommy is a former captain and manager of the Dublin senior football team and has also managed the Roscommon and Cavan senior football teams.

Resident in Dublin

There was a time not so long ago when there were always at least 4 Tipperary players living in Dublin – now there is only Michael Gleeson there full-time with Noel McGrath there during the academic year when he is studying at UCD.

Two former Tipperary managers, Michael “Babs” Keating and Nicky English, who between them have managed Tipperary for 14 of the last 25 years, both reside in Dublin. Current Tipp selector, Michael Gleeson, also resided in Dublin for many years before returning to his native Thurles.

Alone all alone

When Dublin lost to Tipperary in the 1961 All Ireland Final, Premier man Paddy Croke from Killenaule, who lined out at full forward,  was the only non native on the Dublin team, which was captained by full back, Noel Drumgoole, and powered by St. Vincent’s and Crumlin players.

Record attendance

The championship attendance record for meetings between Tipperary and Dublin is 67,866, which was set at the All Ireland Final meeting at Croke Park on September 3 1961.

Popping them over

Jimmy Doyle, who played with the help of  pain killing injections for his ankle injury, was Tipperary’s top scorer in the 60 minute 1961 All Ireland final with a return of 0-9 , 7 from frees. He retired with about six minutes to play, at which stage Tipp led by 0-16 to 1-11. Achill Boothman added a Dublin point but the equaliser remained elusive, with Larry Shannon’s late angled free going narrowly wide. Jimmy’s scoring return was overtaken by Willie Ryan in the 2007 Qualifier meeting at Parnell Park. The Toomevara man struck 10 points, including 6 frees, for the winners in a nine point victory.

Mighty men

Spotted sitting near each other, at this year’s All Ireland Quarter Finals, in Semple Stadium were two survivors from that 1961 encounter. Jimmy Grey was Dublin’s goalkeeper and he kept a clean sheet on the day – a significant performance against the best forward line of that era. His early save from ‘Mackey’ Mc Kenna, when he deflected a goal bound shot over the bar, for the opening score of the game is often recalled. Michael Maher was full back for Tipperary and despite the ‘kitchen heat’, Willie Jackson got through for the only goal of the game, early in the second half. When you consider that Dublin scored 7-5 against defending Leinster and All Ireland Champions, Wexford, who had beaten Tipp by 10 points in the 1960 Final, it was a good day’s work. Both men are still enjoying the games and no doubt will be present on August 14 to support their successors. Both of course also went onto to make significant contributions to the GAA at administrative level.

Toss of a coin

Trivia fans might like to know that Dublin won the toss before the 1961 All Ireland Final and with no breeze to consider, Noel Drumgoole decided to defend the Railway/Hill 16 end in the first half. Tipperary led by 0-10 to 0-6 at the break. It would have been somewhat different, only for Donal O’ Brien’s two excellent saves of shots from Willie Jackson and Bernie Boothman.

Early finish

In the 45th minute of the 1961 Final, the referee sent Dublin’s Lar Foley and Tipperary’s Tom Ryan to the line. Many revisionists say that Dublin would have won if Foley had finished the game, but we must remember that Ryan was a splendid hurler and he provided the scoring pass for John ‘Mackey’ Mc Kenna’s crucial goal in Tipp’s win over Wexford a year later. The disallowed Tipp goal in the 61 final, following a goalmouth melee just before half time would probably have clinched the game, if it had been given.

Easy  win

The 1896 Final meeting at Jones Road on 27/3/1898 saw an extremely large and enthusiastic gathering of spectators. One newspaper report noted that the game turned out as expected and was a ‘one horse affair’. Michael Maher won the toss for Tipperary and he put Dublin facing a piercing North East breeze. Tipp scored a goal in the first minute, held Dublin scoreless for twenty, led at half time by 4-6 to 0-1 and despite the losers ‘’playing all they knew, they were never in the running’’. Tipperary’s 34 point win is the record championship winning margin between the counties.

Life in Athy

The Athy club history advises that their pitch was rented in 1905 from the South Kildare Agricultural Society. The venue was among the first in Leinster to be fenced and the 1908 All Ireland Final replay there was ‘played in splendid conditions’. The attendance of 6,000 to 7,000 spectators was boosted by special trains, which carried 1,500 people from Kingsbridge (now Heuston Station). Tipperary started as ‘warm favourites’, but the first half was ‘well contested with some splendid hurling’ according to The Irish Independent report. Tipp led at half time by 1-5 (Hugh Shelly scored the goal) to 1-1 and took control early in the second half. Two goals by Anthony Carew pushed Tipp clear and despite a break, when the ball was lost after a Tipp point, the game finished with a point from the winning captain, Tom Semple.  Tipp won by 16 points, which was hard to believe, after the teams had drawn two months earlier.

On May 15 this year, that occasion was celebrated in Athy, with a Tournament game, between the two counties. The score was- Tipperary 3-20 Dublin  0-26  .That Dublin performance impressed Tipp people more that night than it had in their Allianz NHL win at Croke Park on February 19.

One loss

Dublin have only beaten Tipperary once in championship hurling and that was when they dethroned the Premier County in the 1917 All Ireland Final, which was played at Croke park on October 27. A contemporary report noted that it was a fine day of sunshine, a good ground and a sympathetic (to Dublin) crowd of 12,000approx. Collegians had the Dublin selection and they augmented their line up with ‘several seasoned hurlers from Southern counties, who qualified by their residence in the capital’.

Dublin got off to a great start and led by 2-2 to nil before Tipp goals from Hugh Shelly and Jer ‘Darby’ Collison got them to half time 2-2 to 2-0. Bob Mockler who had been involved with previous Tipperary teams, was in great form for Dublin . Tipp got two second half goals per Willie O’ Dwyer and Mick Leahy, but Dublin got three- Bob Mockler, Brendan Considine and Joe Phelan –his second. Considine had come on as an early substitute for the injured Hugh Burke and his goal – doubling on a chest high pass from Frank Burke – was among the best seen in a Final up to then.

Afterwards, the winning captain Dr. John M Ryan was carried shoulder high to the pavilion, where cheering was long continued by Dublin supporters. Tipperary had players from Boherlahan, Thurles, Killenaule, Toomevara, Moneygall and Two Mile Borris, while Dublin was represented mainly, by players, from Collegians, Faughs, Rapparees and Commercials.

The referee, Waterford’s Willie Walsh, ‘was most painstaking and got through his task with satisfaction to all’.

Fantasy clash

How would Tipperary’s Lar Corbett have fared against Dublin’s Lar Foley, if the decades hadn’t separated them? Styles would have been different for a start and it would be hard to imagine the St Vincent’s man moving from the full back line, as the Tipp man roved the pitch. Lar Foley was one of Dublin’s best ever dual players and while he won Senior Football All Ireland honours in 1958 and 1963, his one shot at hurling glory ended disappointingly, in 1961. In a Hogan Stand interview (20/3/2002) the Dublin great opined – ‘why does everyone have to keep asking me about that one after all the things I’ve won ? That was a brilliant Tipperary team if you look through the team sheet; we played against some of those lads for years after that in Railway cup and we managed to beat them twice ,which we felt was quite an achievement’.

Three two

Ryan O’ Dwyer’s impressive 3-2 scoring return, against Limerick, has been mentioned regularly in the build up to the semi final, but Tipp people also recall that Dublin’s David Tracey bagged  a similar score against them in the NHL game at Semple Stadium on March 29th 2009.

Déjà vu

When Dublin beat Tipperary in the 1917 All Ireland Final they had a strong Munster input, with Clare Tipperary and Limerick natives notably involved. In 2011 they have, inter alia, influences from the same counties.

The brothers

In the 1917 All Ireland Final, two Toomevara brothers played on opposing sides. Stephen Hackett lined out for Tipperary ,while  Martin played for Dublin. There were four Tipp men on that Dublin team –Jim Cleary, Frank Burke and Bob Mockler were the others. Jimmy Murphy (Horse & Jockey) who was then living in Dublin, declined to play with the City men, but his loss to the Tipp attack was significant. It was interesting to note that Collegians (UCD, Veterinary College, St Patrick’s Training College, St. Enda’s Training College) had the  team selection, but there wasn’t one Dublin native on the winning team. The winning team comprised  of 4 from Tipp, 3 each from Cork , Limerick , 2 from Clare, 1 each from Kilkenny, Laois & Kildare.

Fifty years ago: All Ireland Final 1961

Tipperary – Donal O’ Brien, Matt Hassett (Capt), Mick Maher, Kieran Carey, Mick Burns, Tony Wall, John Doyle, Matt O’ Gara (0-2), Theo English, Jimmy Doyle (0-9),Liam Devaney, Donie Nealon (0-3), John ‘Mackey’Mc Kenna (0-1), Billy Moloughney, Tom McLoughney (0-1). Subs, Tom Ryan ( K) for J Mc Kenna, John Hough for Matt O’ Gara (injured), Sean Mc Loughlin for Tony Wall (injured).

Dublin—Jimmy Grey, Des Ferguson, Noel Drumgoole (Capt), Lar Foley, Liam Ferguson, Christy Hayes, Shay Lynch, Des Foley (0-1), Fran Whelan, Achill Boothman (0-5), Mick Bohan, Larry Shannon (0-3), Bernie Boothman (0-1), Paddy Croke, Willie Jackson (1-2). Sub. E Malone for M Bohan.

The Howard Connection

Liz Howard, PRO of Tipperary County Board for over 20 years, former President of the Camogie Association and former Tipperary Person of the Year, is a long-time Dublin resident. Her Dublin connections do not stop there.  Her father, the noted hurler, Garrett Howard, won All Ireland SHC medals with both Dublin and his native Limerick. He served as a Garda in Tipperary for many years and played club hurling with Toomevara.

William Maher – selector with both counties

William Maher of Ballingarry, who captained Tipperary to the All Ireland minor title in 1996 and is currently a Tipperary under 21 hurling selector, is a former Dublin minor hurling selector.

1952 Captain

Jim Prior, a native of Borrisoleigh, captained Dublin in the 1952 All Ireland SHC Final which they lost to Cork.

Next game

The winners of the Tipperary v Dublin game will play in the All Ireland Final at Croke Park on September 4th.  The losers will be out of the championship.

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